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RESOLVED That all debates be no more than five minutes in length. Councillor Jamie Adams then introduced the Notice of Motion and clarified that the Motion referred to Councillor Simpson’s ability as Leader of Council, not as a person. He highlighted that the remuneration of the Leader was £40,000 above that of an ordinary Member and that Councillor Simpson had been in the role for the last six years. He then stated that the role of Leader was not an easy task and highlighted the great responsibility for Members, the people of Pembrokeshire and the services the Council provided. In providing reasons for submitting the Notice of Motion, Councillor Adams made reference mainly to the last 12 months. He highlighted lack of engagement with the two largest political groups of the Council, in regards to making decisions for the people in the County. Councillor Adams also stated that there had been various questions put to the Leader at Council meetings, regarding additional spend, unforeseen circumstances, extra costs and changes to proposals of original plans. Councillor Adams referred to a lack of political oversight and accountability via Overview and Scrutiny Committees, with particular reference to the call-in of Ysgol Bro Penfro. He suggested that there was a blame culture passed on to Officers when it suited and credit taken when the opportunity arose. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved the Notice of Motion; Seconded by Councillor Di Clements. Councillor Simpson stated that his aim was for Members to work in harmony to make Pembrokeshire an even better place to live. He stated that when he appointed his Cabinet, he chose Members democratically on their merit and capability, and highlighted that the Cabinet Members all had extensive knowledge of their portfolios. The Leader also stated that it was important not to lose sight of the goals to improve the County. Councillor Di Clements explained the reasons as to why the Welsh Conservative Group had put their names to the Notice of Motion. She believed that the Council should be concentrating its efforts on the services it had to provide and which the County depended on. She also mentioned, however, the good work that had been done under the Leader’s direction. Councillor Clements then urged Members to think about the people they represented and what they wanted and needed. Councillor Reg Owens stated his support for the Notice of Motion and believed it was time for a change within the Cabinet Membership. At this juncture, Councillor Paul Miller Moved that the matter be put; Seconded by Councillor Mike Stoddart. The Presiding Member stated that he would allow more time for discussion as he believed the matter had not been adequately discussed. [Due to technical difficulties, the Webcast paused at 10:49am and resumed at 11:04am.] Councillor John Davies stated that Councillor Simpson was commendable in his goals from the outset of his tenancy. He then referred to Welsh Language speakers and the lack of representation within the Council’s Cabinet. Councillor Davies also mentioned that there was no Cabinet representation for the north of the County and felt that the Membership was not inclusive. He also highlighted the lack of investment and commitment for north Pembrokeshire. Councillor Huw Murphy mentioned his concerns around safeguarding, the Local Toilet closures and the Ysgol Bro Penfro project. He also stated that there was a lack of Leadership within the Council’s Cabinet, and suggested that time was being spent on upcoming projects rather than safeguarding vulnerable people. Councillor Vanessa Thomas firstly stated her support for Councillor Huw Murphy standing for Leader of the Council. She then explained that the reason behind the endorsement had been influenced by her journey on becoming a Councillor and from there, joining the Independent Group. Councillor Thomas encouraged Members to support Councillor Murphy and highlighted doing the best for the people of Pembrokeshire. In response to Councillor Murphy’s comments regarding safeguarding, Councillor Tessa Hodgson, Cabinet Member with responsibility for Social Care and Safeguarding, stated that she worked incredibly hard on safeguarding and welcomed the support of all Members, including Councillor Murphy as the Member Champion, as well as challenge around safeguarding. She stated that she was more than happy to have a conversation with any Member about how safeguarding could be strengthened and improved at the Authority. Councillor Joshua Beynon stated his support for the current Administration and highlighted situations that he had not agreed with and conversations had with the relevant Cabinet Member or Leader about his issues with their decisions. He referred to the development of Pembrokeshire in relation to economic regeneration, progress with schools in regards to Estyn and new Council houses. Councillor Beynon believed that Councillor Simpson had been very honest throughout the process and stated that Members had the opportunity to make comments and be listened to through various meetings. Councillor Alistair Cameron stated that he would not support the Notice of Motion. He highlighted the Council’s Capital Programme and the need to have one in order to bring investment into the County, with the majority of funding provided by the Welsh Government. He also referenced the South Quay project and the way it would improve and aid the Learning Disability Community. Councillor Cameron then raised concerns around whether the Independent Group was willing to address the challenges being faced by the Council, such as Council Tax. He then urged Members to vote against the Notice of Motion. Councillor Michael John then highlighted his concerns around the direction of the Council, in relation to services being cut and ongoing projects. He felt that the leadership did not show any consideration for the views of many Members, instead being led by the minority political groups and non-aligned group of Councillors. Councillor John stated that there needed to be more strength behind the position of Leader to deliver for the public. He then stated his support for the Notice of Motion. Councillor Jon Harvey then spoke in support of Councillor Simpson leading the Council and highlighted that he was always open, honest and determined to do the best for residents. He stated that the Cabinet Members all worked extremely hard to safeguard and improve Council services. Councillor Harvey also assured Members that there was no political agenda within Cabinet, as they were encouraged to vote as they felt appropriate. He then referenced the achievements of the Cabinet, which included improved education standards in schools, town centre regeneration, the house building programme and the Freeport Bid. Councillor Jacob Williams stated that he did not believe that the Leader, as per the Constitution, had failed to do something or had done something bad enough to warrant his removal. He highlighted that Councillor Simpson had been unopposed since 2017. Councillor Aled Thomas highlighted his communication experience with the Leader and Cabinet Members and stated thatin the past 12 months, he had sent five e-mails to the Leader directly with only one reply. He stated that he was also still waiting for information which he had asked for around five months ago. He also referred to the lack of Welsh Language representation. Councillor Thomas then suggested that Cabinet Members failed to co-operate with opposition Members. Councillor Paul Miller stated that the past Administration failed to reach out to the then opposition, but highlighted that the budget setting process was more involved today for Members than ever before. He stated that Councillor Simpson had restored democracy to the Chamber. Councillor Miller then referred to the current Administration working progressively with Welsh Government, closure of bridge tolls and fibre broadband roll out. He then stated that Councillor Simpson wasa pragmatist, a dealmaker and a reasonable, decent human being, who listened and could make accommodations to make the County work. Councillor Alan Dennison stated that when he was an Unaffiliated Member, he was not approached or offered advice, then outlined his reasons for joining the Independent Group. He then mentioned Bluestone and referenced the return on Bluestone shares. Councillor Michelle Bateman stated that when she joined the Council, Councillor Simpson offered support, advice and guidance. She then highlighted the shared vision of Cabinet, as articulated and driven by Councillor Simpson. She stated that Cabinet were a coalition Cabinet with different political views, and Councillor Simpson’s strong and constant leadership allowed them to navigate any differences. She highlighted that every decision Councillor Simpson made was for the benefit of Pembrokeshire and its residents. Councillor Thomas Tudor stated that Councillor Simpson was approachable, helpful and had never failed to assist with ward issues. He then highlighted that he had not heard an argument that could warrant supporting the Notice of Motion and urged Members not to support it. Councillor Alec Cormack stated that he had not known a better Leader than Councillor Simpson and made reference to his team spirit and the advice he received when he first joined Cabinet. In regards to the budget, Councillor Cormack stated that it was open for all Members to discuss, which was the will of Councillor Simpson. Councillor Pat Davies stated her support for Councillor Simpson and highlighted that he was a strong Leader and pursued every opportunity for the future and prosperity of Pembrokeshire. She also referenced the budget setting process to be more open and transparent. Councillor Sam Skyrme-Blackhall also stated her support and highlighted that Councillor Simpson had assisted personally with issues in her local ward. She felt that it was important to work together to achieve the best for the Authority and for Pembrokeshire. Councillor Tony Wilcox referred to the fact that Councillor Simpson’s tenure was set to expire in May 2024 and believed that it was not the time for a change in leadership, in order to allow new Members to settle in to their roles. Councillor Jamie Adamsreferred to Councillor Miller's points and wished to clarify that when he was Leader, he held regular Group Leader briefings on a bi-monthly basis, which stopped in 2017.He then suggested that Councillor Simpson was a follower rather than a Leader and reiterated the lack of engagement with opposition Members. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved that the final vote be taken by way of a roll call; Seconded by Councillor John Davies. The vote, undertaken by way of an electronic vote, was carried. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Simon Hancock, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Bethan Price, Shon Rees, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Michele Wiggins, Michael Williams, Chris Williams, Simon Wright and Danny Young [35] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Thomas Tudor, Jacob Williams, Guy Woodham and Steve Yelland [23] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the final vote be taken by way of a roll call. The vote for the Notice of Motion, undertaken by way of a roll call, was lost. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Shon Rees, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Simon Wright, Steve Yelland and Danny Young [29] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Simon Hancock, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Bethan Price, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Marc Tierney, Thomas Tudor, Michele Wiggins, Tony Wilcox, Chris Williams, Jacob Williams, Michael Williams and Guy Woodham [31] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the Notice of Motion be not carried.
There were no apologies for absence.
The following of declarations of interest were made: Item 3 – Notice of Motion of no confidence in the Leader Councillor David Simpson declared a personal interest by virtue of being the Leader of Council. Councillor Huw Murphy declared a personal interest by virtue of potentially being elected the new Leader of Council. Councillor Reg Owens then sought clarification as to whether the Cabinet Members should declare an interest as they were appointed by the Leader. The Head of Law and Governance clarified that Cabinet Members did not have an interest, as the item did not guarantee their Cabinet Member role in the future.
Decision as recorded
RESOLVED That all debates be no more than five minutes in length. Councillor Jamie Adams then introduced the Notice of Motion and clarified that the Motion referred to Councillor Simpson’s ability as Leader of Council, not as a person. He highlighted that the remuneration of the Leader was £40,000 above that of an ordinary Member and that Councillor Simpson had been in the role for the last six years. He then stated that the role of Leader was not an easy task and highlighted the great responsibility for Members, the people of Pembrokeshire and the services the Council provided. In providing reasons for submitting the Notice of Motion, Councillor Adams made reference mainly to the last 12 months. He highlighted lack of engagement with the two largest political groups of the Council, in regards to making decisions for the people in the County. Councillor Adams also stated that there had been various questions put to the Leader at Council meetings, regarding additional spend, unforeseen circumstances, extra costs and changes to proposals of original plans. Councillor Adams referred to a lack of political oversight and accountability via Overview and Scrutiny Committees, with particular reference to the call-in of Ysgol Bro Penfro. He suggested that there was a blame culture passed on to Officers when it suited and credit taken when the opportunity arose. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved the Notice of Motion; Seconded by Councillor Di Clements. Councillor Simpson stated that his aim was for Members to work in harmony to make Pembrokeshire an even better place to live. He stated that when he appointed his Cabinet, he chose Members democratically on their merit and capability, and highlighted that the Cabinet Members all had extensive knowledge of their portfolios. The Leader also stated that it was important not to lose sight of the goals to improve the County. Councillor Di Clements explained the reasons as to why the Welsh Conservative Group had put their names to the Notice of Motion. She believed that the Council should be concentrating its efforts on the services it had to provide and which the County depended on. She also mentioned, however, the good work that had been done under the Leader’s direction. Councillor Clements then urged Members to think about the people they represented and what they wanted and needed. Councillor Reg Owens stated his support for the Notice of Motion and believed it was time for a change within the Cabinet Membership. At this juncture, Councillor Paul Miller Moved that the matter be put; Seconded by Councillor Mike Stoddart. The Presiding Member stated that he would allow more time for discussion as he believed the matter had not been adequately discussed. [Due to technical difficulties, the Webcast paused at 10:49am and resumed at 11:04am.] Councillor John Davies stated that Councillor Simpson was commendable in his goals from the outset of his tenancy. He then referred to Welsh Language speakers and the lack of representation within the Council’s Cabinet. Councillor Davies also mentioned that there was no Cabinet representation for the north of the County and felt that the Membership was not inclusive. He also highlighted the lack of investment and commitment for north Pembrokeshire. Councillor Huw Murphy mentioned his concerns around safeguarding, the Local Toilet closures and the Ysgol Bro Penfro project. He also stated that there was a lack of Leadership within the Council’s Cabinet, and suggested that time was being spent on upcoming projects rather than safeguarding vulnerable people. Councillor Vanessa Thomas firstly stated her support for Councillor Huw Murphy standing for Leader of the Council. She then explained that the reason behind the endorsement had been influenced by her journey on becoming a Councillor and from there, joining the Independent Group. Councillor Thomas encouraged Members to support Councillor Murphy and highlighted doing the best for the people of Pembrokeshire. In response to Councillor Murphy’s comments regarding safeguarding, Councillor Tessa Hodgson, Cabinet Member with responsibility for Social Care and Safeguarding, stated that she worked incredibly hard on safeguarding and welcomed the support of all Members, including Councillor Murphy as the Member Champion, as well as challenge around safeguarding. She stated that she was more than happy to have a conversation with any Member about how safeguarding could be strengthened and improved at the Authority. Councillor Joshua Beynon stated his support for the current Administration and highlighted situations that he had not agreed with and conversations had with the relevant Cabinet Member or Leader about his issues with their decisions. He referred to the development of Pembrokeshire in relation to economic regeneration, progress with schools in regards to Estyn and new Council houses. Councillor Beynon believed that Councillor Simpson had been very honest throughout the process and stated that Members had the opportunity to make comments and be listened to through various meetings. Councillor Alistair Cameron stated that he would not support the Notice of Motion. He highlighted the Council’s Capital Programme and the need to have one in order to bring investment into the County, with the majority of funding provided by the Welsh Government. He also referenced the South Quay project and the way it would improve and aid the Learning Disability Community. Councillor Cameron then raised concerns around whether the Independent Group was willing to address the challenges being faced by the Council, such as Council Tax. He then urged Members to vote against the Notice of Motion. Councillor Michael John then highlighted his concerns around the direction of the Council, in relation to services being cut and ongoing projects. He felt that the leadership did not show any consideration for the views of many Members, instead being led by the minority political groups and non-aligned group of Councillors. Councillor John stated that there needed to be more strength behind the position of Leader to deliver for the public. He then stated his support for the Notice of Motion. Councillor Jon Harvey then spoke in support of Councillor Simpson leading the Council and highlighted that he was always open, honest and determined to do the best for residents. He stated that the Cabinet Members all worked extremely hard to safeguard and improve Council services. Councillor Harvey also assured Members that there was no political agenda within Cabinet, as they were encouraged to vote as they felt appropriate. He then referenced the achievements of the Cabinet, which included improved education standards in schools, town centre regeneration, the house building programme and the Freeport Bid. Councillor Jacob Williams stated that he did not believe that the Leader, as per the Constitution, had failed to do something or had done something bad enough to warrant his removal. He highlighted that Councillor Simpson had been unopposed since 2017. Councillor Aled Thomas highlighted his communication experience with the Leader and Cabinet Members and stated thatin the past 12 months, he had sent five e-mails to the Leader directly with only one reply. He stated that he was also still waiting for information which he had asked for around five months ago. He also referred to the lack of Welsh Language representation. Councillor Thomas then suggested that Cabinet Members failed to co-operate with opposition Members. Councillor Paul Miller stated that the past Administration failed to reach out to the then opposition, but highlighted that the budget setting process was more involved today for Members than ever before. He stated that Councillor Simpson had restored democracy to the Chamber. Councillor Miller then referred to the current Administration working progressively with Welsh Government, closure of bridge tolls and fibre broadband roll out. He then stated that Councillor Simpson wasa pragmatist, a dealmaker and a reasonable, decent human being, who listened and could make accommodations to make the County work. Councillor Alan Dennison stated that when he was an Unaffiliated Member, he was not approached or offered advice, then outlined his reasons for joining the Independent Group. He then mentioned Bluestone and referenced the return on Bluestone shares. Councillor Michelle Bateman stated that when she joined the Council, Councillor Simpson offered support, advice and guidance. She then highlighted the shared vision of Cabinet, as articulated and driven by Councillor Simpson. She stated that Cabinet were a coalition Cabinet with different political views, and Councillor Simpson’s strong and constant leadership allowed them to navigate any differences. She highlighted that every decision Councillor Simpson made was for the benefit of Pembrokeshire and its residents. Councillor Thomas Tudor stated that Councillor Simpson was approachable, helpful and had never failed to assist with ward issues. He then highlighted that he had not heard an argument that could warrant supporting the Notice of Motion and urged Members not to support it. Councillor Alec Cormack stated that he had not known a better Leader than Councillor Simpson and made reference to his team spirit and the advice he received when he first joined Cabinet. In regards to the budget, Councillor Cormack stated that it was open for all Members to discuss, which was the will of Councillor Simpson. Councillor Pat Davies stated her support for Councillor Simpson and highlighted that he was a strong Leader and pursued every opportunity for the future and prosperity of Pembrokeshire. She also referenced the budget setting process to be more open and transparent. Councillor Sam Skyrme-Blackhall also stated her support and highlighted that Councillor Simpson had assisted personally with issues in her local ward. She felt that it was important to work together to achieve the best for the Authority and for Pembrokeshire. Councillor Tony Wilcox referred to the fact that Councillor Simpson’s tenure was set to expire in May 2024 and believed that it was not the time for a change in leadership, in order to allow new Members to settle in to their roles. Councillor Jamie Adamsreferred to Councillor Miller's points and wished to clarify that when he was Leader, he held regular Group Leader briefings on a bi-monthly basis, which stopped in 2017.He then suggested that Councillor Simpson was a follower rather than a Leader and reiterated the lack of engagement with opposition Members. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved that the final vote be taken by way of a roll call; Seconded by Councillor John Davies. The vote, undertaken by way of an electronic vote, was carried. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Simon Hancock, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Bethan Price, Shon Rees, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Michele Wiggins, Michael Williams, Chris Williams, Simon Wright and Danny Young [35] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Thomas Tudor, Jacob Williams, Guy Woodham and Steve Yelland [23] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the final vote be taken by way of a roll call. The vote for the Notice of Motion, undertaken by way of a roll call, was lost. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Shon Rees, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Simon Wright, Steve Yelland and Danny Young [29] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Simon Hancock, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Bethan Price, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Marc Tierney, Thomas Tudor, Michele Wiggins, Tony Wilcox, Chris Williams, Jacob Williams, Michael Williams and Guy Woodham [31] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the Notice of Motion be not carried.
[During the debate, Councillor Simon Hancock declared a personal interest by virtue of delivering heritage based events at Bluestone resort, as Bluestone had been mentioned by Councillor Alan Dennison.] Council considered a report by the Chief Executive which outlined a Notice of Motion of no confidence in the Leader of Council, Councillor David Simpson. The Presiding Member introduced the report and invited the originator of the Motion, Councillor Jamie Adams, to speak to his Motion. Councillor Adams Moved that in terms of the Constitution, Section 4.21.1, of Part 2, the timing of speeches, that the Standing Orders be suspended to allow a greater opportunity for Members to speak to the item; Seconded by Councillor Alan Dennison. Councillor Jacob Williams sought clarification as to whether there would be a time limit to ensure appropriate and relevant speeches. Councillor Adams then suggested that five minutes be allowed for all Members wishing to speak. Councillor Dennison agreed with this as the Seconder. The vote, undertaken by way of an electronic vote, was carried. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, David Bryan, Alistair Cameron, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Cole, Alec Cormack, John Davies, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Tim Evans, Jonathan Grimes, Nicola Gwynn, Brian Hall, Simon Hancock, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Paul Miller, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Bethan Price, Shon Rees, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Mark Tierney, Anji Tinley, Thomas Tudor, Iwan Ward, Michele Wiggins, Chris Williams, Jacob Williams, Guy Woodham, Simon Wright, Steve Yelland and Danny Young [54] Against the Motion: Councillors Jon Harvey, Rhys Sinnett, Neil Prior and Michael Williams [4] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That all debates be no more than five minutes in length. Councillor Jamie Adams then introduced the Notice of Motion and clarified that the Motion referred to Councillor Simpson’s ability as Leader of Council, not as a person. He highlighted that the remuneration of the Leader was £40,000 above that of an ordinary Member and that Councillor Simpson had been in the role for the last six years. He then stated that the role of Leader was not an easy task and highlighted the great responsibility for Members, the people of Pembrokeshire and the services the Council provided. In providing reasons for submitting the Notice of Motion, Councillor Adams made reference mainly to the last 12 months. He highlighted lack of engagement with the two largest political groups of the Council, in regards to making decisions for the people in the County. Councillor Adams also stated that there had been various questions put to the Leader at Council meetings, regarding additional spend, unforeseen circumstances, extra costs and changes to proposals of original plans. Councillor Adams referred to a lack of political oversight and accountability via Overview and Scrutiny Committees, with particular reference to the call-in of Ysgol Bro Penfro. He suggested that there was a blame culture passed on to Officers when it suited and credit taken when the opportunity arose. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved the Notice of Motion; Seconded by Councillor Di Clements. Councillor Simpson stated that his aim was for Members to work in harmony to make Pembrokeshire an even better place to live. He stated that when he appointed his Cabinet, he chose Members democratically on their merit and capability, and highlighted that the Cabinet Members all had extensive knowledge of their portfolios. The Leader also stated that it was important not to lose sight of the goals to improve the County. Councillor Di Clements explained the reasons as to why the Welsh Conservative Group had put their names to the Notice of Motion. She believed that the Council should be concentrating its efforts on the services it had to provide and which the County depended on. She also mentioned, however, the good work that had been done under the Leader’s direction. Councillor Clements then urged Members to think about the people they represented and what they wanted and needed. Councillor Reg Owens stated his support for the Notice of Motion and believed it was time for a change within the Cabinet Membership. At this juncture, Councillor Paul Miller Moved that the matter be put; Seconded by Councillor Mike Stoddart. The Presiding Member stated that he would allow more time for discussion as he believed the matter had not been adequately discussed. [Due to technical difficulties, the Webcast paused at 10:49am and resumed at 11:04am.] Councillor John Davies stated that Councillor Simpson was commendable in his goals from the outset of his tenancy. He then referred to Welsh Language speakers and the lack of representation within the Council’s Cabinet. Councillor Davies also mentioned that there was no Cabinet representation for the north of the County and felt that the Membership was not inclusive. He also highlighted the lack of investment and commitment for north Pembrokeshire. Councillor Huw Murphy mentioned his concerns around safeguarding, the Local Toilet closures and the Ysgol Bro Penfro project. He also stated that there was a lack of Leadership within the Council’s Cabinet, and suggested that time was being spent on upcoming projects rather than safeguarding vulnerable people. Councillor Vanessa Thomas firstly stated her support for Councillor Huw Murphy standing for Leader of the Council. She then explained that the reason behind the endorsement had been influenced by her journey on becoming a Councillor and from there, joining the Independent Group. Councillor Thomas encouraged Members to support Councillor Murphy and highlighted doing the best for the people of Pembrokeshire. In response to Councillor Murphy’s comments regarding safeguarding, Councillor Tessa Hodgson, Cabinet Member with responsibility for Social Care and Safeguarding, stated that she worked incredibly hard on safeguarding and welcomed the support of all Members, including Councillor Murphy as the Member Champion, as well as challenge around safeguarding. She stated that she was more than happy to have a conversation with any Member about how safeguarding could be strengthened and improved at the Authority. Councillor Joshua Beynon stated his support for the current Administration and highlighted situations that he had not agreed with and conversations had with the relevant Cabinet Member or Leader about his issues with their decisions. He referred to the development of Pembrokeshire in relation to economic regeneration, progress with schools in regards to Estyn and new Council houses. Councillor Beynon believed that Councillor Simpson had been very honest throughout the process and stated that Members had the opportunity to make comments and be listened to through various meetings. Councillor Alistair Cameron stated that he would not support the Notice of Motion. He highlighted the Council’s Capital Programme and the need to have one in order to bring investment into the County, with the majority of funding provided by the Welsh Government. He also referenced the South Quay project and the way it would improve and aid the Learning Disability Community. Councillor Cameron then raised concerns around whether the Independent Group was willing to address the challenges being faced by the Council, such as Council Tax. He then urged Members to vote against the Notice of Motion. Councillor Michael John then highlighted his concerns around the direction of the Council, in relation to services being cut and ongoing projects. He felt that the leadership did not show any consideration for the views of many Members, instead being led by the minority political groups and non-aligned group of Councillors. Councillor John stated that there needed to be more strength behind the position of Leader to deliver for the public. He then stated his support for the Notice of Motion. Councillor Jon Harvey then spoke in support of Councillor Simpson leading the Council and highlighted that he was always open, honest and determined to do the best for residents. He stated that the Cabinet Members all worked extremely hard to safeguard and improve Council services. Councillor Harvey also assured Members that there was no political agenda within Cabinet, as they were encouraged to vote as they felt appropriate. He then referenced the achievements of the Cabinet, which included improved education standards in schools, town centre regeneration, the house building programme and the Freeport Bid. Councillor Jacob Williams stated that he did not believe that the Leader, as per the Constitution, had failed to do something or had done something bad enough to warrant his removal. He highlighted that Councillor Simpson had been unopposed since 2017. Councillor Aled Thomas highlighted his communication experience with the Leader and Cabinet Members and stated thatin the past 12 months, he had sent five e-mails to the Leader directly with only one reply. He stated that he was also still waiting for information which he had asked for around five months ago. He also referred to the lack of Welsh Language representation. Councillor Thomas then suggested that Cabinet Members failed to co-operate with opposition Members. Councillor Paul Miller stated that the past Administration failed to reach out to the then opposition, but highlighted that the budget setting process was more involved today for Members than ever before. He stated that Councillor Simpson had restored democracy to the Chamber. Councillor Miller then referred to the current Administration working progressively with Welsh Government, closure of bridge tolls and fibre broadband roll out. He then stated that Councillor Simpson wasa pragmatist, a dealmaker and a reasonable, decent human being, who listened and could make accommodations to make the County work. Councillor Alan Dennison stated that when he was an Unaffiliated Member, he was not approached or offered advice, then outlined his reasons for joining the Independent Group. He then mentioned Bluestone and referenced the return on Bluestone shares. Councillor Michelle Bateman stated that when she joined the Council, Councillor Simpson offered support, advice and guidance. She then highlighted the shared vision of Cabinet, as articulated and driven by Councillor Simpson. She stated that Cabinet were a coalition Cabinet with different political views, and Councillor Simpson’s strong and constant leadership allowed them to navigate any differences. She highlighted that every decision Councillor Simpson made was for the benefit of Pembrokeshire and its residents. Councillor Thomas Tudor stated that Councillor Simpson was approachable, helpful and had never failed to assist with ward issues. He then highlighted that he had not heard an argument that could warrant supporting the Notice of Motion and urged Members not to support it. Councillor Alec Cormack stated that he had not known a better Leader than Councillor Simpson and made reference to his team spirit and the advice he received when he first joined Cabinet. In regards to the budget, Councillor Cormack stated that it was open for all Members to discuss, which was the will of Councillor Simpson. Councillor Pat Davies stated her support for Councillor Simpson and highlighted that he was a strong Leader and pursued every opportunity for the future and prosperity of Pembrokeshire. She also referenced the budget setting process to be more open and transparent. Councillor Sam Skyrme-Blackhall also stated her support and highlighted that Councillor Simpson had assisted personally with issues in her local ward. She felt that it was important to work together to achieve the best for the Authority and for Pembrokeshire. Councillor Tony Wilcox referred to the fact that Councillor Simpson’s tenure was set to expire in May 2024 and believed that it was not the time for a change in leadership, in order to allow new Members to settle in to their roles. Councillor Jamie Adamsreferred to Councillor Miller's points and wished to clarify that when he was Leader, he held regular Group Leader briefings on a bi-monthly basis, which stopped in 2017.He then suggested that Councillor Simpson was a follower rather than a Leader and reiterated the lack of engagement with opposition Members. Councillor Jamie Adams Moved that the final vote be taken by way of a roll call; Seconded by Councillor John Davies. The vote, undertaken by way of an electronic vote, was carried. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Simon Hancock, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Bethan Price, Shon Rees, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Michele Wiggins, Michael Williams, Chris Williams, Simon Wright and Danny Young [35] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Thomas Tudor, Jacob Williams, Guy Woodham and Steve Yelland [23] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the final vote be taken by way of a roll call. The vote for the Notice of Motion, undertaken by way of a roll call, was lost. The votes were recorded as follows: For the Motion: Councillors Jamie Adams, David Bryan, Aaron Carey, Mark Carter, Di Clements, John Davies, Alan Dennison, Andrew Edwards, Jonathan Grimes, Brian Hall, Delme Harries, David Howlett, Mike James, Mike John, Rhys Jordan, Phil Kidney, Peter Morgan, Elwyn Morse, Huw Murphy, Reg Owens, Mel Phillips, Shon Rees, Aled Thomas, Vanessa Thomas, Anji Tinley, Iwan Ward, Simon Wright, Steve Yelland and Danny Young [29] Against the Motion: Councillors Steve Alderman, Michelle Bateman, Josh Beynon, Maureen Bowen, Alistair Cameron, John Cole, Alec Cormack, Pat Davies, Terry Davies, Tim Evans, Nicola Gwynn, Simon Hancock, Jon Harvey, Tessa Hodgson, Paul Miller, Bethan Price, Neil Prior, Jordan Ryan, David Simpson, Rhys Sinnett, Sam Skyrme-Blackhall, Mike Stoddart, Viv Stoddart, Marc Tierney, Thomas Tudor, Michele Wiggins, Tony Wilcox, Chris Williams, Jacob Williams, Michael Williams and Guy Woodham [31] There were no abstentions. RESOLVED That the Notice of Motion be not carried.
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